Mind-Blowing Ohio State recruiting stat (2024)

IMO, in many cases the individual wrestler has the much greater part to play in how their career turns out. Most top tier programs have very good coaching. The difference makers for me with regard to coaching are more mental and philosophical in nature rather than techniques. For example, many past Iowa wrestlers say that there is too much emphasis on winning rather than just becoming a better wrestler. Adds too much pressure. The other difference maker is a thoughtful approach to the season so that the wrestlers are peaking in March and not February. Lastly, individual scouting of opponents during nationals has helped PSU tremendously in "last matches won".

As for recruiting rankings, I think the further back you go, the more the rankings skewed towards overvaluing a larger class rather than a small quality class.

Nitlion1986 said:

Ryan is a much better recruiter of top wrestling talent than Franklin is of top end football talent.

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This is more a reflection of top wrestling talent being in the PA/OH area. Franklin has to lure the top talent out of FL, CA, TX, SC, ETC to come to state college. While PA is OK with FB talent, it cant compete with those states. Much different dynamic.

SJP80 said:

This is more a reflection of top wrestling talent being in the PA/OH area. Franklin has to lure the top talent out of FL, CA, TX, SC, ETC to come to state college. While PA is OK with FB talent, it cant compete with those states. Much different dynamic.

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Top PA talent and top legacy talent don't choose PSU.

If PSU locked down the top tier talent from PA, NJ, NY & MD their recruiting would be as impressive as anybody else's.

Nitlion1986 said:

Top PA talent and top legacy talent don't choose PSU.

If PSU locked down the top tier talent from PA, NJ, NY & MD their recruiting would be as impressive as anybody else's.

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5* PA recruits Micah Parsons and Nick Singleton and Abdul Carter disagree with top PA talent choosing elsewhere. It's true that others have gone elsewhere -- and likewise our 5* starting QB is from Ohio.

In any case, this is a world that no longer exists. None of the schools ahead of PSU lock down their state plus bordering states, or even focuses within their conference footprints. Everybody recruits nationally. So locking down those 4 states would not make PSU equivalently talented as Ohio State, let alone Alabama or Georgia.

It also presumes that Rutgers and Maryland never compete for the same talent in their own/neighboring states ... OK, that part isn't so terribly off.

El-Jefe said:

5* PA recruits Micah Parsons and Nick Singleton and Abdul Carter disagree with top PA talent choosing elsewhere. It's true that others have gone elsewhere -- and likewise our 5* starting QB is from Ohio.

In any case, this is a world that no longer exists. None of the schools ahead of PSU lock down their state plus bordering states, or even focuses within their conference footprints. Everybody recruits nationally. So locking down those 4 states would not make PSU equivalently talented as Ohio State, let alone Alabama or Georgia.

It also presumes that Rutgers and Maryland never compete for the same talent in their own/neighboring states ... OK, that part isn't so terribly off.

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In wrestling there is so much more talent in PA and OH. In FB, there is just so much more talent in GA, FL, AL than we have in PA. So, they only need to get some portion of their state and some from neighboring states ... all the while poaching some of the best from PA. I would say it is easier for GA, AL, FSU, UF to be appealing and poach a top PA kid then it is for a top GA, AL, FSU kid to go to PSU.

Nitlion1986 said:

Top PA talent and top legacy talent don't choose PSU.

If PSU locked down the top tier talent from PA, NJ, NY & MD their recruiting would be as impressive as anybody else's.

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No it wouldn't. That's basically what you have now. There are 12 players on the roster from the "south" and the rest is pretty much PA, NJ, MD and VA

Just not nearly the level or amount of talent in those states.

Pitchfork Rebel said:

This is simple:

Ryan is very good at attracting talent; not so good at developing it.

Arguably, NATO and Martin not only didn't progress, they regressed.

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He's also probably not as good as recognizing guys who are overrated as recruits based on their junior/HS accomplishments that won't translate well to college wrestling. Paddy and Hoffman seem like poster boys for this.

SJP80 said:

In wrestling there is so much more talent in PA and OH. In FB, there is just so much more talent in GA, FL, AL than we have in PA. So, they only need to get some portion of their state and some from neighboring states ... all the while. poaching some of the best from PA. I would say it is easier for GA, AL, FSU, UF to be appealing and poach a top PA kid then it is for a top GA, AL, FSU kid to go to PSU.

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Mostly agreed ... though Alabama and Georgia hardly limit themselves to adjacent states. For example, Stafford and Hurts are both from Texas.

Random4598375 said:

He's also probably not as good as recognizing guys who are overrated as recruits based on their junior/HS accomplishments that won't translate well to college wrestling. Paddy and Hoffman seem like poster boys for this.

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Paddy yes. You could see his deficiencies pretty clearly.

Hoffman? Man, that one just baffles me. He was so good and so athletic. I think being the wrong weight class sapped him of any chance of developing. Could barely stay on the mat.

vhsalum said:

Paddy yes. You could see his deficiencies pretty clearly.

Hoffman? Man, that one just baffles me. He was so good and so athletic. I think being the wrong weight class sapped him of any chance of developing. Could barely stay on the mat.

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Actually, i take that back. Just looked at his wrestlestat. he was at the right weight class from his RS SO on. Yeah. Just didn't develop.

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El-Jefe said:

IIRC Red recruited Cael hard. Cael was interested and active, but simultaneously recruiting Nick Lee.

Once Lee committed to PSU, the writing was on the wall for Red, and he went corn about 2 weeks later.

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Here for every single future internet use of "went corn."

Thank you for this contribution to the lexicon.

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The amazing thing is that PSU got 5 top 20 recruits. Obviously, 4-timer Brooks is one of the best ever, and RBY got two championships, but the other three did next to nothing for Penn State (Beard was really good for Lehigh, but Joe Lee and Teasdale were total busts for high level recruits).

Random4598375 said:

The amazing thing is that PSU got 5 top 20 recruits. Obviously, 4-timer Brooks is one of the best ever, and RBY got two championships, but the other three did next to nothing for Penn State (Beard was really good for Lehigh, but Joe Lee and Teasdale were total busts for high level recruits).

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Beard did finish 7th for PSU before transferring.

^^^ full article. i think you'll find it interesting. how about that, of PSU's 36 Big Boarders this decade, 50% were Top 10's. crazy.

Pennstate1985 said:

IMO, in many cases the individual wrestler has the much greater part to play in how their career turns out. Most top tier programs have very good coaching. The difference makers for me with regard to coaching are more mental and philosophical in nature rather than techniques. For example, many past Iowa wrestlers say that there is too much emphasis on winning rather than just becoming a better wrestler. Adds too much pressure. The other difference maker is a thoughtful approach to the season so that the wrestlers are peaking in March and not February. Lastly, individual scouting of opponents during nationals has helped PSU tremendously in "last matches won".

As for recruiting rankings, I think the further back you go, the more the rankings skewed towards overvaluing a larger class rather than a small quality class.

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One thing I learned in my decades in finance is that all managerial systems have as their most important element "tone at the top", because those attitudes cascade throughout the organization. If there's too much emphasis on winning, rather than improvement-that starts with the HC.

As a distanced observer, it's very obvious to see that Cael sees winning as the result of doing the right things, rather than being the right thing.

Pitchfork Rebel said:

One thing I learned in my decades in finance is that all managerial systems have as their most important element "tone at the top", because those attitudes cascade throughout the organization. If there's too much emphasis on winning, rather than improvement-that starts with the HC.

As a distanced observer, it's very obvious to see that Cael sees winning as the result of doing the right things, rather than being the right thing.

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Exactly. In my company, kpi's were process related to improve each division with the theory being that if you improve the underlying dynamics, the money will follow. Funny how that always works.

Pennstate1985 said:

Exactly. In my company, kpi's were process related to improve each division with the theory being that if you improve the underlying dynamics, the money will follow. Funny how that always works.

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Hmmm, a wise man once communicated the same to his Nittany Lion football teams. Take care of the little things and the big things take care of themselves.

KCLion said:

Hmmm, a wise man once communicated the same to his Nittany Lion football teams. Take care of the little things and the big things take care of themselves.

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It's ALWAYS true.

vhsalum said:

Carl went after Red pretty hard.

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I'd actually use Red as my next example over on the OSU board if Wittlake doesn't work for you. Ha

El-Jefe said:

Beard did finish 7th for PSU before transferring.

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One 7th place finish between three top 20 recruits is definitely "next to nothing" in the PSU wrestling world.