Jesse Walker
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#1525
My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817 and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died, but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.
I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871 censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on one map? Or anything else?
Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the mentioned folio doesn't have the street.
Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would be very much appreciated!
I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below, as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.
Cheers,
Jesse
--
THE NOTTINGHAM AND MIDLAND COUNTIES DAILY EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER, 28, 1868. Page 3.
DEATH OF A PENINSULA VETERAN
On the 25th instant, George Kirk, late of York-street, Nottingham, died in his 80th year. He enlisted in the 45th Nottinghamshire Regiment when he was 19 years of age, and served through the Peninsula War, being engaged in the following battles : Badajoz, Salamanca, Vittoria, Nivelle, Nive, Orthes, and Toulouse. He was wounded at the battle of Salamanca by a ball entering his cheek, where it remained to the time of his death.
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The Nottingham Daily Express, Monday, April 26, 1915. Page 3.
OBITUARY.
AN OLD NOTTM. RESIDENT.
Mr. George Kirk, ex-City Councillor.
We regret to record the death of Mr. George Kirk, one of Nottingham's oldest residents, and an ex-councillor of the city. The deceased, who carried on business for many years in Commercial-square, passed away yesterday at his daughter's residence at Carlton.
Mr. Kirk, whose life has covered a period only eight years short of a century, was born in Nottingham in 1823. Compulsory education and the restriction of child labour were then problems of the far distant future, and young Kirk was nine years of age only when he commenced his industrial career. His first employer was Mr. Thomas Wakefield, who was twice Mayor of Nottingham. At 14, he went to work with his father, a silk-glove maker, but at 19, when lacemaking was becoming a lucrative trade, he apprenticed himself to a lacemaker, but in 1863 Mr. Kirk abandoned the lace trade and founded the business which he has since carried on, and in which he has been succeeded by his son, as hosier and draper.
An energetic citizen, possessing a warm affection for his native town, Mr. Kirk took a lively interest in all matters concerning its progress and prosperity.
As long ago as 1875, he became associated with the public life of Nottingham, and was elected a member of the Board of Guardians. In that capacity he served for ten years; then, in 1885, he stood as a candidate for the City Council in Mapperley Ward and was again successful. In politics Mr. Kirk was always a staunch Radical. He was one of the promoters of the Porchester Estate Allotment Society, and did much to create its prosperity. He also held the office of treasurer of the Nottingham Gardenholders' Association.
Throughout the whole of his career, Mr. Kirk was characterised by a sturdy self-reliance and sound, clear judgment.
The old gentleman, who continued his energetic habits of life until well beyond his 91st birthday, liked to speak of Nottingham and its life as he recollected it 70 or 80 years ago. He spoke of the days when railways were non-existent, and he recalled his own journey on foot to Matlock to visit friends who, on his arrival, he found had moved to Derby. He remembered Ilkeston in those days as a little clump of cottages around the church on the top of the hill. Nottingham on the Mansfield-road side did not exist beyond Parliament-street. His reminiscences of the great reform riots in Nottingham were always interesting.
"I was going to the National School, with some other lads," he once told the writer, "when we met a man waving a big stick with ribbons on it. 'Come on, lads,' he shouted; 'fill your pockets with stones. We will have some bread to-day.' Of course, we all joined in. There was a little crowd with him. We came to a pork-pie shop. The windows were smashed and the pies all cleared in a jiffy. Then the windows of the house of a man who was said to have voted against the Reform Bill were broken.
"We marched down York-street, where I lived, and I dodged along the far side of the crowd so that my father should not see me. We reached the Forest, where there were some windmills in those days.
"'Climb up, lads,' our leader shouted (he was hanged afterwards), and soon bags of flour were pitched down to the crowd, and women who had come up from Nottingham filled their aprons or anything else that would hold the stuff.
"Then the Yeomanry came along at full gallop and cleared the crowd, and my father came also, and I got a good hiding and was bundled off home. The next day Nottingham Castle and Colwick Hall were fired, but I was not allowed to go out; the rioting in the town was too serious."
Brian Binns
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#1526
Michael Street is certainly on the 1881 25” to the mile map I have consulted but doesn’t look long enough to have a house numbered 63. The northern end was I think renamed as Huntingdon Street, so that’s perhaps an avenue (sorry for the pun) for you to pursue,
Brian Binns
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From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jesse Walker
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 10:04 AM
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Subject: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?
My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817 and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died, but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.
I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871 censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on one map? Or anything else?
Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the mentioned folio doesn't have the street.
Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would be very much appreciated!
I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below, as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.
Cheers,
Jesse
--
THE NOTTINGHAM AND MIDLAND COUNTIES DAILY EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER, 28, 1868. Page 3.
DEATH OF A PENINSULA VETERAN
On the 25th instant, George Kirk, late of York-street, Nottingham, died in his 80th year. He enlisted in the 45th Nottinghamshire Regiment when he was 19 years of age, and served through the Peninsula War, being engaged in the following battles : Badajoz, Salamanca, Vittoria, Nivelle, Nive, Orthes, and Toulouse. He was wounded at the battle of Salamanca by a ball entering his cheek, where it remained to the time of his death.
-----
The Nottingham Daily Express, Monday, April 26, 1915. Page 3.
OBITUARY.
AN OLD NOTTM. RESIDENT.
Mr. George Kirk, ex-City Councillor.
We regret to record the death of Mr. George Kirk, one of Nottingham's oldest residents, and an ex-councillor of the city. The deceased, who carried on business for many years in Commercial-square, passed away yesterday at his daughter's residence at Carlton.
Mr. Kirk, whose life has covered a period only eight years short of a century, was born in Nottingham in 1823. Compulsory education and the restriction of child labour were then problems of the far distant future, and young Kirk was nine years of age only when he commenced his industrial career. His first employer was Mr. Thomas Wakefield, who was twice Mayor of Nottingham. At 14, he went to work with his father, a silk-glove maker, but at 19, when lacemaking was becoming a lucrative trade, he apprenticed himself to a lacemaker, but in 1863 Mr. Kirk abandoned the lace trade and founded the business which he has since carried on, and in which he has been succeeded by his son, as hosier and draper.
An energetic citizen, possessing a warm affection for his native town, Mr. Kirk took a lively interest in all matters concerning its progress and prosperity.
As long ago as 1875, he became associated with the public life of Nottingham, and was elected a member of the Board of Guardians. In that capacity he served for ten years; then, in 1885, he stood as a candidate for the City Council in Mapperley Ward and was again successful. In politics Mr. Kirk was always a staunch Radical. He was one of the promoters of the Porchester Estate Allotment Society, and did much to create its prosperity. He also held the office of treasurer of the Nottingham Gardenholders' Association.
Throughout the whole of his career, Mr. Kirk was characterised by a sturdy self-reliance and sound, clear judgment.
The old gentleman, who continued his energetic habits of life until well beyond his 91st birthday, liked to speak of Nottingham and its life as he recollected it 70 or 80 years ago. He spoke of the days when railways were non-existent, and he recalled his own journey on foot to Matlock to visit friends who, on his arrival, he found had moved to Derby. He remembered Ilkeston in those days as a little clump of cottages around the church on the top of the hill. Nottingham on the Mansfield-road side did not exist beyond Parliament-street. His reminiscences of the great reform riots in Nottingham were always interesting.
"I was going to the National School, with some other lads," he once told the writer, "when we met a man waving a big stick with ribbons on it. 'Come on, lads,' he shouted; 'fill your pockets with stones. We will have some bread to-day.' Of course, we all joined in. There was a little crowd with him. We came to a pork-pie shop. The windows were smashed and the pies all cleared in a jiffy. Then the windows of the house of a man who was said to have voted against the Reform Bill were broken.
"We marched down York-street, where I lived, and I dodged along the far side of the crowd so that my father should not see me. We reached the Forest, where there were some windmills in those days.
"'Climb up, lads,' our leader shouted (he was hanged afterwards), and soon bags of flour were pitched down to the crowd, and women who had come up from Nottingham filled their aprons or anything else that would hold the stuff.
"Then the Yeomanry came along at full gallop and cleared the crowd, and my father came also, and I got a good hiding and was bundled off home. The next day Nottingham Castle and Colwick Hall were fired, but I was not allowed to go out; the rioting in the town was too serious."
Jesse Walker
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#1527
Oh, yes, I should check the streets either end of it! I can't remember if I've done that yet, so I'll have to have a deeper look later.
I have also seen some sections of old maps of Nottingham online which have the house numbers on them, but not available from https://maps.nls.uk/, so if I can find a map like that to look at it might help.
Thanks,
Jesse
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, 11:55 Brian Binns, <bnbinns@...> wrote:
Michael Street is certainly on the 1881 25” to the mile map I have consulted but doesn’t look long enough to have a house numbered 63. The northern end was I think renamed as Huntingdon Street, so that’s perhaps an avenue (sorry for the pun) for you to pursue,
Brian Binns
From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jesse Walker
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 10:04 AM
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Subject: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817 and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died, but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.
I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871 censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on one map? Or anything else?
Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the mentioned folio doesn't have the street.
Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would be very much appreciated!
I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below, as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.
Cheers,
Jesse
--
THE NOTTINGHAM AND MIDLAND COUNTIES DAILY EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER, 28, 1868. Page 3.
DEATH OF A PENINSULA VETERAN
On the 25th instant, George Kirk, late of York-street, Nottingham, died in his 80th year. He enlisted in the 45th Nottinghamshire Regiment when he was 19 years of age, and served through the Peninsula War, being engaged in the following battles : Badajoz, Salamanca, Vittoria, Nivelle, Nive, Orthes, and Toulouse. He was wounded at the battle of Salamanca by a ball entering his cheek, where it remained to the time of his death.
-----
The Nottingham Daily Express, Monday, April 26, 1915. Page 3.
OBITUARY.
AN OLD NOTTM. RESIDENT.
Mr. George Kirk, ex-City Councillor.
We regret to record the death of Mr. George Kirk, one of Nottingham's oldest residents, and an ex-councillor of the city. The deceased, who carried on business for many years in Commercial-square, passed away yesterday at his daughter's residence at Carlton.
Mr. Kirk, whose life has covered a period only eight years short of a century, was born in Nottingham in 1823. Compulsory education and the restriction of child labour were then problems of the far distant future, and young Kirk was nine years of age only when he commenced his industrial career. His first employer was Mr. Thomas Wakefield, who was twice Mayor of Nottingham. At 14, he went to work with his father, a silk-glove maker, but at 19, when lacemaking was becoming a lucrative trade, he apprenticed himself to a lacemaker, but in 1863 Mr. Kirk abandoned the lace trade and founded the business which he has since carried on, and in which he has been succeeded by his son, as hosier and draper.
An energetic citizen, possessing a warm affection for his native town, Mr. Kirk took a lively interest in all matters concerning its progress and prosperity.
As long ago as 1875, he became associated with the public life of Nottingham, and was elected a member of the Board of Guardians. In that capacity he served for ten years; then, in 1885, he stood as a candidate for the City Council in Mapperley Ward and was again successful. In politics Mr. Kirk was always a staunch Radical. He was one of the promoters of the Porchester Estate Allotment Society, and did much to create its prosperity. He also held the office of treasurer of the Nottingham Gardenholders' Association.
Throughout the whole of his career, Mr. Kirk was characterised by a sturdy self-reliance and sound, clear judgment.
The old gentleman, who continued his energetic habits of life until well beyond his 91st birthday, liked to speak of Nottingham and its life as he recollected it 70 or 80 years ago. He spoke of the days when railways were non-existent, and he recalled his own journey on foot to Matlock to visit friends who, on his arrival, he found had moved to Derby. He remembered Ilkeston in those days as a little clump of cottages around the church on the top of the hill. Nottingham on the Mansfield-road side did not exist beyond Parliament-street. His reminiscences of the great reform riots in Nottingham were always interesting.
"I was going to the National School, with some other lads," he once told the writer, "when we met a man waving a big stick with ribbons on it. 'Come on, lads,' he shouted; 'fill your pockets with stones. We will have some bread to-day.' Of course, we all joined in. There was a little crowd with him. We came to a pork-pie shop. The windows were smashed and the pies all cleared in a jiffy. Then the windows of the house of a man who was said to have voted against the Reform Bill were broken.
"We marched down York-street, where I lived, and I dodged along the far side of the crowd so that my father should not see me. We reached the Forest, where there were some windmills in those days.
"'Climb up, lads,' our leader shouted (he was hanged afterwards), and soon bags of flour were pitched down to the crowd, and women who had come up from Nottingham filled their aprons or anything else that would hold the stuff.
"Then the Yeomanry came along at full gallop and cleared the crowd, and my father came also, and I got a good hiding and was bundled off home. The next day Nottingham Castle and Colwick Hall were fired, but I was not allowed to go out; the rioting in the town was too serious."
Marcia Green
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#1528
Thank you for the very interesting read!!
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On Feb 18, 2023, at 5:50 AM, Jesse Walker <bongoots@...> wrote:
Oh, yes, I should check the streets either end of it! I can't remember if I've done that yet, so I'll have to have a deeper look later.
I have also seen some sections of old maps of Nottingham online which have the house numbers on them, but not available from https://maps.nls.uk/, so if I can find a map like that to look at it might help.
Thanks,
Jesse
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, 11:55 Brian Binns, <bnbinns@...> wrote:
Michael Street is certainly on the 1881 25” to the mile map I have consulted but doesn’t look long enough to have a house numbered 63. The northern end was I think renamed as Huntingdon Street, so that’s perhaps an avenue (sorry for the pun) for you to pursue,
Brian Binns
From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jesse Walker
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 10:04 AM
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Subject: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817 and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died, but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.
I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871 censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on one map? Or anything else?
Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the mentioned folio doesn't have the street.
Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would be very much appreciated!
I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below, as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.
Cheers,
Jesse
--
THE NOTTINGHAM AND MIDLAND COUNTIES DAILY EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER, 28, 1868. Page 3.
DEATH OF A PENINSULA VETERAN
On the 25th instant, George Kirk, late of York-street, Nottingham, died in his 80th year. He enlisted in the 45th Nottinghamshire Regiment when he was 19 years of age, and served through the Peninsula War, being engaged in the following battles : Badajoz, Salamanca, Vittoria, Nivelle, Nive, Orthes, and Toulouse. He was wounded at the battle of Salamanca by a ball entering his cheek, where it remained to the time of his death.
-----
The Nottingham Daily Express, Monday, April 26, 1915. Page 3.
OBITUARY.
AN OLD NOTTM. RESIDENT.
Mr. George Kirk, ex-City Councillor.
We regret to record the death of Mr. George Kirk, one of Nottingham's oldest residents, and an ex-councillor of the city. The deceased, who carried on business for many years in Commercial-square, passed away yesterday at his daughter's residence at Carlton.
Mr. Kirk, whose life has covered a period only eight years short of a century, was born in Nottingham in 1823. Compulsory education and the restriction of child labour were then problems of the far distant future, and young Kirk was nine years of age only when he commenced his industrial career. His first employer was Mr. Thomas Wakefield, who was twice Mayor of Nottingham. At 14, he went to work with his father, a silk-glove maker, but at 19, when lacemaking was becoming a lucrative trade, he apprenticed himself to a lacemaker, but in 1863 Mr. Kirk abandoned the lace trade and founded the business which he has since carried on, and in which he has been succeeded by his son, as hosier and draper.
An energetic citizen, possessing a warm affection for his native town, Mr. Kirk took a lively interest in all matters concerning its progress and prosperity.
As long ago as 1875, he became associated with the public life of Nottingham, and was elected a member of the Board of Guardians. In that capacity he served for ten years; then, in 1885, he stood as a candidate for the City Council in Mapperley Ward and was again successful. In politics Mr. Kirk was always a staunch Radical. He was one of the promoters of the Porchester Estate Allotment Society, and did much to create its prosperity. He also held the office of treasurer of the Nottingham Gardenholders' Association.
Throughout the whole of his career, Mr. Kirk was characterised by a sturdy self-reliance and sound, clear judgment.
The old gentleman, who continued his energetic habits of life until well beyond his 91st birthday, liked to speak of Nottingham and its life as he recollected it 70 or 80 years ago. He spoke of the days when railways were non-existent, and he recalled his own journey on foot to Matlock to visit friends who, on his arrival, he found had moved to Derby. He remembered Ilkeston in those days as a little clump of cottages around the church on the top of the hill. Nottingham on the Mansfield-road side did not exist beyond Parliament-street. His reminiscences of the great reform riots in Nottingham were always interesting.
"I was going to the National School, with some other lads," he once told the writer, "when we met a man waving a big stick with ribbons on it. 'Come on, lads,' he shouted; 'fill your pockets with stones. We will have some bread to-day.' Of course, we all joined in. There was a little crowd with him. We came to a pork-pie shop. The windows were smashed and the pies all cleared in a jiffy. Then the windows of the house of a man who was said to have voted against the Reform Bill were broken.
"We marched down York-street, where I lived, and I dodged along the far side of the crowd so that my father should not see me. We reached the Forest, where there were some windmills in those days.
"'Climb up, lads,' our leader shouted (he was hanged afterwards), and soon bags of flour were pitched down to the crowd, and women who had come up from Nottingham filled their aprons or anything else that would hold the stuff.
"Then the Yeomanry came along at full gallop and cleared the crowd, and my father came also, and I got a good hiding and was bundled off home. The next day Nottingham Castle and Colwick Hall were fired, but I was not allowed to go out; the rioting in the town was too serious."
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#1529
Sorry I looked at this earlier then a sandwich got in the way ;-)
Searching Findmypast for St Michael street
1851 not found
(which doesn't mean it didn't exist, its name may not have been captured by the enumerator)
There was a St Michaels Row in 1851
1861 St Mary Notts
37 households
1 to 19 some multiple occupancy
1871 St Mary Notts
10 households no numbers transcribed but are on the page image "Rookery, St Mich' st"
3 to 21 (then Clayfield street after them)
1881 St Mary Notts
27 households
2 to 39 (a few missing presumably unoccupied)
1891 St Mary Notts
14 households
1 to 37 all odd numbers, some missing presumably unoccupied
1901 only one found is *Sutton in Ashfield* Mansfield
46 Households
1911 Nottingham
15 households
Lamos Lodge
3 to 24
So 63 sounds rather unlikely, are you sure that is what it says?
Was the address the informants ?
I also found a St Michael Terrace but again it doesn't run as high as 63
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
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On 18/02/2023 10:03, Jesse Walker wrote:
My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817 and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died, but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.
I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871 censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on one map? Or anything else?
Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the mentioned folio doesn't have the street.
Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would be very much appreciated!
I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below, as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.
Cheers,
Jesse
Phil
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#1530
Looking at an (old version) of the NFHS baptisms, there are two families baptising their children at St. Mark in May 1875. One family gives an address of 61 St Michael’s St and the other at number 65. So a good chance there was a 63.
The two families are:
Thomas (a Mechanic) DEXTER and his wife Sarah Ann
William (Coal Dealer) ASLING and his wife Eliza.
Phil.
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From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington
Sent: 18 February 2023 13:08
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?
Sorry I looked at this earlier then a sandwich got in the way ;-)
Searching Findmypast for St Michael street
1851 not found
(which doesn't mean it didn't exist, its name may not have been captured by the enumerator) There was a St Michaels Row in 1851
1861 St Mary Notts
37 households
1 to 19 some multiple occupancy
1871 St Mary Notts
10 households no numbers transcribed but are on the page image "Rookery, St Mich' st"
3 to 21 (then Clayfield street after them)
1881 St Mary Notts
27 households
2 to 39 (a few missing presumably unoccupied)
1891 St Mary Notts
14 households
1 to 37 all odd numbers, some missing presumably unoccupied
1901 only one found is *Sutton in Ashfield* Mansfield
46 Households
1911 Nottingham
15 households
Lamos Lodge
3 to 24
So 63 sounds rather unlikely, are you sure that is what it says?
Was the address the informants ?
I also found a St Michael Terrace but again it doesn't run as high as 63
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 18/02/2023 10:03, Jesse Walker wrote:
My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817
and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died,
but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871
censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other
names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a
few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house
of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different
establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on
one map? Or anything else?Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help
identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one
street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the
mentioned folio doesn't have the street.Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would
be very much appreciated!I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below,
as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.Cheers,
Jesse
mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com
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#1531
I have just found an old map (copied at the Archives) headed NOTTINGHAM PARISH BOUNDARIES 1865
From any map you can find of the area you may be able to picture the area!!??
From Mansfield Road, (Forest/Church Cem'y crossroads) a short way along where Gt Alfred Street joins -
take a left hand route - you turn here into St Michael's Street - running into Millstone Lane and Cross Street.
(Workhouse Gardens are a 'blank' on left hand side of St Michael's Lane at boundary of St Mark's parish 1855) - leading into St Paul's parish (1839) and into original St. Mary Parish of Nottingham (Lace Market area)
the right hand route runs into York Street to the junction with Lower Parlament St./Broad St.
York St forms a boundary between Holy Trinity (1842) and Sr Mark (1855)
Those with local Nottingham roots will know that the Victoria Station Site was demolished (finishing in 1899) incl the Nottingham Union Workhouse at the corner of York St. and Woodborough Road.
I have a list of some of the streets and alleys that were to disappear.
I have had many interruptions this morning so am off for sustenance now.
Later the Victoria Hotel was demolished to make way for the Victoria Shopping Centre - (and the bricks were used to fill an old brickpit off Western Boulevard)
Mavis,
born Nottingham - now in Somerset
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From: "Phil" <minmin@...>
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 18 Feb, 2023 At 13:46
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?Looking at an (old version) of the NFHS baptisms, there are two families baptising their children at St. Mark in May 1875. One family gives an address of 61 St Michael’s St and the other at number 65. So a good chance there was a 63.
The two families are:
Thomas (a Mechanic) DEXTER and his wife Sarah Ann
William (Coal Dealer) ASLING and his wife Eliza.Phil.
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From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington
Sent: 18 February 2023 13:08
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?Sorry I looked at this earlier then a sandwich got in the way ;-)
Searching Findmypast for St Michael street
1851 not found
(which doesn't mean it didn't exist, its name may not have been captured by the enumerator) There was a St Michaels Row in 18511861 St Mary Notts
37 households
1 to 19 some multiple occupancy1871 St Mary Notts
10 households no numbers transcribed but are on the page image "Rookery, St Mich' st"
3 to 21 (then Clayfield street after them)1881 St Mary Notts
27 households
2 to 39 (a few missing presumably unoccupied)1891 St Mary Notts
14 households
1 to 37 all odd numbers, some missing presumably unoccupied1901 only one found is *Sutton in Ashfield* Mansfield
46 Households1911 Nottingham
15 households
Lamos Lodge
3 to 24So 63 sounds rather unlikely, are you sure that is what it says?
Was the address the informants ?
I also found a St Michael Terrace but again it doesn't run as high as 63
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 18/02/2023 10:03, Jesse Walker wrote:
My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817
and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died,
but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871
censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other
names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a
few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house
of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different
establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on
one map? Or anything else?Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help
identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one
street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the
mentioned folio doesn't have the street.Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would
be very much appreciated!I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below,
as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.Cheers,
Jesse
Suella Postles
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#1532
I think I remember that some streets and places in Nottingham were renumbered ca. 1871.
Suella
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 15:07, mayjaysomerset@... via groups.io <mayjaysomerset=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
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I have just found an old map (copied at the Archives) headed NOTTINGHAM PARISH BOUNDARIES 1865
From any map you can find of the area you may be able to picture the area!!??
From Mansfield Road, (Forest/Church Cem'y crossroads) a short way along where Gt Alfred Street joins -
take a left hand route - you turn here into St Michael's Street - running into Millstone Lane and Cross Street.
(Workhouse Gardens are a 'blank' on left hand side of St Michael's Lane at boundary of St Mark's parish 1855) - leading into St Paul's parish (1839) and into original St. Mary Parish of Nottingham (Lace Market area)
the right hand route runs into York Street to the junction with Lower Parlament St./Broad St.
York St forms a boundary between Holy Trinity (1842) and Sr Mark (1855)
Those with local Nottingham roots will know that the Victoria Station Site was demolished (finishing in 1899) incl the Nottingham Union Workhouse at the corner of York St. and Woodborough Road.
I have a list of some of the streets and alleys that were to disappear.
I have had many interruptions this morning so am off for sustenance now.
Later the Victoria Hotel was demolished to make way for the Victoria Shopping Centre - (and the bricks were used to fill an old brickpit off Western Boulevard)
Mavis,
born Nottingham - now in Somerset
------ Original Message ------
From: "Phil" <minmin@...>
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 18 Feb, 2023 At 13:46
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?Looking at an (old version) of the NFHS baptisms, there are two families baptising their children at St. Mark in May 1875. One family gives an address of 61 St Michael’s St and the other at number 65. So a good chance there was a 63.
The two families are:
Thomas (a Mechanic) DEXTER and his wife Sarah Ann
William (Coal Dealer) ASLING and his wife Eliza.Phil.
-----Original Message-----
From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington
Sent: 18 February 2023 13:08
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?Sorry I looked at this earlier then a sandwich got in the way ;-)
Searching Findmypast for St Michael street
1851 not found
(which doesn't mean it didn't exist, its name may not have been captured by the enumerator) There was a St Michaels Row in 18511861 St Mary Notts
37 households
1 to 19 some multiple occupancy1871 St Mary Notts
10 households no numbers transcribed but are on the page image "Rookery, St Mich' st"
3 to 21 (then Clayfield street after them)1881 St Mary Notts
27 households
2 to 39 (a few missing presumably unoccupied)1891 St Mary Notts
14 households
1 to 37 all odd numbers, some missing presumably unoccupied1901 only one found is *Sutton in Ashfield* Mansfield
46 Households1911 Nottingham
15 households
Lamos Lodge
3 to 24So 63 sounds rather unlikely, are you sure that is what it says?
Was the address the informants ?
I also found a St Michael Terrace but again it doesn't run as high as 63
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 18/02/2023 10:03, Jesse Walker wrote:
My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817
and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died,
but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871
censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other
names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a
few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house
of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different
establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on
one map? Or anything else?Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help
identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one
street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the
mentioned folio doesn't have the street.Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would
be very much appreciated!I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below,
as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.Cheers,
Jesse
Vaughn Thurman
- All Messages By This Member
#1533
Hi all,
I have a Nottingham map [Jackson’s (1865) Map of Nottingham, revised to 1894] that shows Saint Michaels Street. I’ve made a couple of copies on my iPad that I will attach.
Vaughn,
Stratford, Ontario, Canada
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From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> on behalf of Suella Postles <suellapostles@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 11:41:08 AM
To: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?
I think I remember that some streets and places in Nottingham were renumbered ca. 1871.
Suella
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 15:07, mayjaysomerset@... via groups.io <mayjaysomerset=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have just found an old map (copied at the Archives) headed NOTTINGHAM PARISH BOUNDARIES 1865
From any map you can find of the area you may be able to picture the area!!??
From Mansfield Road, (Forest/Church Cem'y crossroads)a short way along where Gt Alfred Street joins -
take a left hand route - you turn here intoSt Michael's Street - running into Millstone Lane and Cross Street.
(Workhouse Gardens are a 'blank' on left hand side of St Michael's Lane at boundary of St Mark's parish 1855) - leading into St Paul's parish (1839) and into original St. Mary Parish of Nottingham (Lace Market area)
the right hand routeruns into York Street to the junction withLower Parlament St./Broad St.
York St forms a boundary between Holy Trinity (1842) and Sr Mark (1855)
Those with local Nottingham roots will know that the Victoria Station Site was demolished (finishing in 1899) incl the Nottingham Union Workhouse at the corner of York St. and Woodborough Road.
I have a list of some of the streets and alleys that were to disappear.
I have had many interruptions this morning so am off for sustenance now.
Later the Victoria Hotel was demolished to make way for the Victoria Shopping Centre - (and the bricks were used to fill an old brickpit off Western Boulevard)
Mavis,
born Nottingham - now in Somerset
------ Original Message ------
From: "Phil" <minmin@...>
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 18 Feb, 2023 At 13:46
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?Looking at an (old version) of the NFHS baptisms, there are two families baptising their children at St. Mark in May 1875. One family gives an address of 61 St Michael’s St and the other at number 65. So a good chance there was a 63.
The two families are:
Thomas (a Mechanic) DEXTER and his wife Sarah Ann
William (Coal Dealer) ASLING and his wife Eliza.Phil.
-----Original Message-----
From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington
Sent: 18 February 2023 13:08
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?Sorry I looked at this earlier then a sandwich got in the way ;-)
Searching Findmypast for St Michael street
1851 not found
(which doesn't mean it didn't exist, its name may not have been captured by the enumerator) There was a St Michaels Row in 18511861 St Mary Notts
37 households
1 to 19 some multiple occupancy1871 St Mary Notts
10 households no numbers transcribed but are on the page image "Rookery, St Mich' st"
3 to 21 (then Clayfield street after them)1881 St Mary Notts
27 households
2 to 39 (a few missing presumably unoccupied)1891 St Mary Notts
14 households
1 to 37 all odd numbers, some missing presumably unoccupied1901 only one found is *Sutton in Ashfield* Mansfield
46 Households1911 Nottingham
15 households
Lamos Lodge
3 to 24So 63 sounds rather unlikely, are you sure that is what it says?
Was the address the informants ?
I also found a St Michael Terrace but again it doesn't run as high as 63
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 18/02/2023 10:03, Jesse Walker wrote:
My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817
and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died,
but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871
censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other
names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a
few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house
of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different
establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on
one map? Or anything else?Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help
identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one
street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the
mentioned folio doesn't have the street.Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would
be very much appreciated!I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below,
as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.Cheers,
Jesse
mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com
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#1534
Thankyou - I can confirm the second image is the one used for the Borough of Nottingham to mark out the boundaries.
It did not have the name of the originator.
Mavis
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------ Original Message ------
From: "Vaughn Thurman" <vahn.thurman@...>
To: "nottsgen@groups.io" <nottsgen@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, 18 Feb, 2023 At 17:20
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?Hi all,
I have a Nottingham map [Jackson’s (1865) Map of Nottingham, revised to 1894] that shows Saint Michaels Street. I’ve made a couple of copies on my iPad that I will attach.
Vaughn,
Stratford, Ontario, Canada
Get Outlook for iOS
From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> on behalf of Suella Postles <suellapostles@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 11:41:08 AM
To: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?I think I remember that some streets and places in Nottingham were renumbered ca. 1871.
Suella
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 15:07, mayjaysomerset@... via groups.io <mayjaysomerset=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have just found an old map (copied at the Archives) headed NOTTINGHAM PARISH BOUNDARIES 1865
From any map you can find of the area you may be able to picture the area!!??
From Mansfield Road, (Forest/Church Cem'y crossroads) a short way along where Gt Alfred Street joins -
take a left hand route - you turn here into St Michael's Street - running into Millstone Lane and Cross Street.
(Workhouse Gardens are a 'blank' on left hand side of St Michael's Lane at boundary of St Mark's parish 1855) - leading into St Paul's parish (1839) and into original St. Mary Parish of Nottingham (Lace Market area)
the right hand route runs into York Street to the junction with Lower Parlament St./Broad St.
York St forms a boundary between Holy Trinity (1842) and Sr Mark (1855)
Those with local Nottingham roots will know that the Victoria Station Site was demolished (finishing in 1899) incl the Nottingham Union Workhouse at the corner of York St. and Woodborough Road.
I have a list of some of the streets and alleys that were to disappear.
I have had many interruptions this morning so am off for sustenance now.
Later the Victoria Hotel was demolished to make way for the Victoria Shopping Centre - (and the bricks were used to fill an old brickpit off Western Boulevard)
Mavis,
born Nottingham - now in Somerset
------ Original Message ------
From: "Phil" <minmin@...>
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 18 Feb, 2023 At 13:46
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?Looking at an (old version) of the NFHS baptisms, there are two families baptising their children at St. Mark in May 1875. One family gives an address of 61 St Michael’s St and the other at number 65. So a good chance there was a 63.
The two families are:
Thomas (a Mechanic) DEXTER and his wife Sarah Ann
William (Coal Dealer) ASLING and his wife Eliza.Phil.
-----Original Message-----
From: nottsgen@groups.io <nottsgen@groups.io> On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington
Sent: 18 February 2023 13:08
To: nottsgen@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nottsgen] St Michael's Street, Nottingham on the censuses?Sorry I looked at this earlier then a sandwich got in the way ;-)
Searching Findmypast for St Michael street
1851 not found
(which doesn't mean it didn't exist, its name may not have been captured by the enumerator) There was a St Michaels Row in 18511861 St Mary Notts
37 households
1 to 19 some multiple occupancy1871 St Mary Notts
10 households no numbers transcribed but are on the page image "Rookery, St Mich' st"
3 to 21 (then Clayfield street after them)1881 St Mary Notts
27 households
2 to 39 (a few missing presumably unoccupied)1891 St Mary Notts
14 households
1 to 37 all odd numbers, some missing presumably unoccupied1901 only one found is *Sutton in Ashfield* Mansfield
46 Households1911 Nottingham
15 households
Lamos Lodge
3 to 24So 63 sounds rather unlikely, are you sure that is what it says?
Was the address the informants ?
I also found a St Michael Terrace but again it doesn't run as high as 63
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 18/02/2023 10:03, Jesse Walker wrote:
My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817
and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died,
but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871
censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other
names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a
few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house
of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different
establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on
one map? Or anything else?Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help
identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one
street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the
mentioned folio doesn't have the street.Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would
be very much appreciated!I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below,
as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.Cheers,
Jesse
Dai Bevan
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#1535
Jesse,
Have you tried searching the Notts History Site - http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/search.htm
A quick look led me to the mention of it getting its name, but nothing afterwards. My search wa nowhere near complete thiough.
Dai Bevan
On 18/02/23 10:03, Jesse Walker wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
My 4th great grandfather George Kirk (1788-1868) had married in 1817 and he had lived at 20 York Street from then until the day he died, but his death was registered at 63 St Michael's Street, just around the corner.
I've not been able to find this address on either the 1861 or 1871 censuses, nor any help searching online for the street to find other names of people, or in directories either. The closest I can get is a few even numbered houses, but where are the rest? Was this the house of one of his sons or daughters? Was it not a house, but a different establishment? Was the street named differently? I've seen Rookery on one map? Or anything else?
Does anyone have a street index for these years who could help identify which pages on the census I need to look at? I've seen one street index for 1871 online, but it's sadly incorrect as the mentioned folio doesn't have the street.
Any help at all in tracking down the connection to this address would be very much appreciated!
I've included his obituary and that of his son (also my 3ggf) below, as they're interesting reading for Nottingham history.
Cheers,
Jesse
--
THE NOTTINGHAM AND MIDLAND COUNTIES DAILY EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER, 28, 1868. Page 3.
DEATH OF A PENINSULA VETERAN
On the 25th instant, George Kirk, late of York-street, Nottingham, died in his 80th year. He enlisted in the 45th Nottinghamshire Regiment when he was 19 years of age, and served through the Peninsula War, being engaged in the following battles : Badajoz, Salamanca, Vittoria, Nivelle, Nive, Orthes, and Toulouse. He was wounded at the battle of Salamanca by a ball entering his cheek, where it remained to the time of his death.
-----
The Nottingham Daily Express, Monday, April 26, 1915. Page 3.
OBITUARY.
AN OLD NOTTM. RESIDENT.
Mr. George Kirk, ex-City Councillor.
We regret to record the death of Mr. George Kirk, one of Nottingham's oldest residents, and an ex-councillor of the city. The deceased, who carried on business for many years in Commercial-square, passed away yesterday at his daughter's residence at Carlton.
Mr. Kirk, whose life has covered a period only eight years short of a century, was born in Nottingham in 1823. Compulsory education and the restriction of child labour were then problems of the far distant future, and young Kirk was nine years of age only when he commenced his industrial career. His first employer was Mr. Thomas Wakefield, who was twice Mayor of Nottingham. At 14, he went to work with his father, a silk-glove maker, but at 19, when lacemaking was becoming a lucrative trade, he apprenticed himself to a lacemaker, but in 1863 Mr. Kirk abandoned the lace trade and founded the business which he has since carried on, and in which he has been succeeded by his son, as hosier and draper.
An energetic citizen, possessing a warm affection for his native town, Mr. Kirk took a lively interest in all matters concerning its progress and prosperity.
As long ago as 1875, he became associated with the public life of Nottingham, and was elected a member of the Board of Guardians. In that capacity he served for ten years; then, in 1885, he stood as a candidate for the City Council in Mapperley Ward and was again successful. In politics Mr. Kirk was always a staunch Radical. He was one of the promoters of the Porchester Estate Allotment Society, and did much to create its prosperity. He also held the office of treasurer of the Nottingham Gardenholders' Association.
Throughout the whole of his career, Mr. Kirk was characterised by a sturdy self-reliance and sound, clear judgment.
The old gentleman, who continued his energetic habits of life until well beyond his 91st birthday, liked to speak of Nottingham and its life as he recollected it 70 or 80 years ago. He spoke of the days when railways were non-existent, and he recalled his own journey on foot to Matlock to visit friends who, on his arrival, he found had moved to Derby. He remembered Ilkeston in those days as a little clump of cottages around the church on the top of the hill. Nottingham on the Mansfield-road side did not exist beyond Parliament-street. His reminiscences of the great reform riots in Nottingham were always interesting.
"I was going to the National School, with some other lads," he once told the writer, "when we met a man waving a big stick with ribbons on it. 'Come on, lads,' he shouted; 'fill your pockets with stones. We will have some bread to-day.' Of course, we all joined in. There was a little crowd with him. We came to a pork-pie shop. The windows were smashed and the pies all cleared in a jiffy. Then the windows of the house of a man who was said to have voted against the Reform Bill were broken.
"We marched down York-street, where I lived, and I dodged along the far side of the crowd so that my father should not see me. We reached the Forest, where there were some windmills in those days.
"'Climb up, lads,' our leader shouted (he was hanged afterwards), and soon bags of flour were pitched down to the crowd, and women who had come up from Nottingham filled their aprons or anything else that would hold the stuff.
"Then the Yeomanry came along at full gallop and cleared the crowd, and my father came also, and I got a good hiding and was bundled off home. The next day Nottingham Castle and Colwick Hall were fired, but I was not allowed to go out; the rioting in the town was too serious."
